Fairy Tail, Chapter 518: Master Enchant
Still not really engaging at all, as we slip back into a huge chunk of action manga tropes. Lots of vague explosion! Repetition of previous introdumps! "I can't lose"! Montage of flashback panels! Friendship speech! Random powerup into a dragon! Yeah, even by standards of a Fairy Tail fight there's very little that sets this apart from the others. Even Eileen's dragon breath isn't something creative or at least a cool-looking element, just a vague blast of energy that knocks Erza down and apparently breaks all her bones.
Eileen talks about how she has Master Enchant that is higher than High Enchant, as if we know what the limits of a High Enchant is. Oh, hey, look, a meteor. All action mangas need to have a meteor falling down to Earth summoned by a powerful antagonist. Erza spends a long time using her hand to launch her body up into the sky and then apparently able to reorient herself mid-air all the while yapping and yapping about how she's got a family and shit, pulling a sword out of nowhere to slash the meteor.
Yeah, yeah. I honestly don't care. The only-one-arm-is-functioning thing is kinda cool while also being ridiculous at the same time, but Erza immediately ruins it by going into a five-page friendship speech. Also, the final page isn't Erza slicing the meteor but Erza just screaming randomly. Honestly, there would be ways to make this very procedural fight at least somewhat interesting. But no, it's just bad.
this chapter confirm for me the uselessness of the fodder of this arc .really , if one of my guy can balance meteor of the ennemy , why bother whith the rest ? at least , the other manga have a actual reason for the presence of fodder .
ReplyDeleteoh ,and erza activate her plot armor , I did not see it coming (but i have a thin hope that the reason that the chapter no finishing with her cutting the thing his for somebody else doing it, who is invariably better for my sense of logic and consistency ).
Hah, Erza is the embodiment of plot armour, of course she's going to be the one to do... well, every single heavy lifting there is to do except for the final boss. Because Natsu is the main character and he has to defeat the final boss.
DeleteI wasn't particularly paying attention so I didn't really care if it was a bitchslap or a dragon's breath. It would be far more hilarious if it was just a slap, though -- Erza's been shown to tank so much nonsense in the past, now a simple slap breaks all her bones?
ReplyDeleteAlso yeah, good job having such a huge collection of magic armour if none of them has some flight magic or some nonsense that doesn't require you to slam your hand on the grnud really hard and break the laws of physics.
side from a theory I have Erza parry the giant rock into Irene
ReplyDeleteI have nothing. WHAT I AM SUPPOSE TO SAY? I am going to ignore the dialog and focus on one piece of storytelling here. Irene breaks every bone in erza body. Wrestle fan know about Cena and his team vs big BAD guy team the Nexus... Long story short. Everyone knew the ending let's be real here Cena was going to win.
How he won was the most bullshit way possible which RUINED the Nexus as a threat. Cena got Double DDT on Concrete in wrestling terms is getting your head chopped off. Cena then makes last two members tap out. The Idea is the Hero is in a critical state there is no way he can win. but then he does. This is dangerous piece of Storytelling done wrong you make your villain look like a Non-threat and hero looks stupidly overpower. It does not help FT does this for 90% percent of the fight that aren't ROLF STOMP. You can guess my opinion on this chapter
Disagree because deflecting the rock towards Eileen... well, that would still be bullshit, but it would be bullshit that uses a modicum of tact, so therefore that's not what's going to happen. Instead it will be the more improbable and "dramatic" act of "she shatters the meteor with one strike."
DeleteJust about every Spriggan got undone in increasingly lackluster ways - like supposed "ultimate weapon" Rakheed who August claimed could only be bested by his parent, but got downed by the expendables from the other guilds. You can't be that surprised that the only way Mashima could make one of the "strongest" ones lose was to give them a Villainous Breakdown coupled with Heel-Face Turn.
I am not even mad. I kinda like same shit as always.
DeleteNeither am I. Just pointing out the obvious XD
DeleteActually, I think Eileen's just trying to make some point about her having "invincible power" (yeah, she still believes she's invincible even after all this - which is why she doesn't think to actually try and stop Erza) - again, hypocritical since she was the one who said Zeref was being needlessly dramatic about the war. At the same time though, considering we saw the other FT mages in a panel, it's kinda also hinted that attack *is* actually going to wipe out everything - basically the same "I'm going to wipe the field clean even if I lose" mentality Jackal had in the Tartaros arc... though that's also rather thoughtless since she'll be wiping out her own people too (with the sole exceptions being Zeref and possibly August). So there are reasons for her actions - it's just that they're stupid ones.
ReplyDeleteAs for her jumping power... I think that *is* actually a power of that outfit she wears, which is "focus all power to offensive strength in exchange for any form of defense" (muscle-strength or power, basically) - which also bit Erza in the ass when Eileen hit her, since nothing was there to protect her limbs from being shattered. So that's not actually as bad - not like the idea that she's supposed to somehow win in that state... or worse yet, as the name for the next chapter hints to, that her efforts are going to inspire a heal-face turn in Eileen. :P
In all honesty, the real issue ISN'T any of what you described; it's Eileen's dragon-transformation. I'd figured that she had to have lost the Dragon-Tissue in her body in order to regain a human form, but this proved she still had it - or in other words, that there's no longer any reason why Acnologia shouldn't have recognized her as a Dragon-Slayer (and even if a reason exists, like suppression or masking magic or some side-effect of Zeref's spell, we haven't been shown it). And now that she's turned into a dragon, she's pretty much given Acnologia a big 'ol marker post for where the hell everyone is that can draw him to them, which will probably be where Eileen completes her face-heal turn and fights him to save her daughter. See, THAT - looking at the wider implications this stuff can have - is why I bother to analyze things in full. Because depending on which way it goes, you can see just how deep the rabbit hole may go - and find the things you're angry about may pale in comparison to the other dangers.
Looking at this, it keeps reinforcing how the "the villain must be arrogant and think they're invincible" trope that Mashima seems to believe in so dieheartedly. I honestly don't know what's worse - that he actually believes all villains behave like that... or that making them overconfident to the point of thoughtlessness is the only way he can think of for his characters to ever actually win against them. Both are stupid, bad and generally horrid writing, but I at least would like to know which one so as to be clear why I hate it.
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, the biggest issue I have in all this is Eileen's dragon-transformation. I'd figured that she had to have lost the Dragon-Tissue in her body in order to regain a human form, but this proved she still had it - or in other words, that there's no longer any reason why Acnologia shouldn't have recognized her as a Dragon-Slayer (and even if a reason exists, like suppression or masking magic or some side-effect of Zeref's spell, we haven't been shown it). At best it screams plot convenience, and at worst it implies that Mashima only thought up Eileen's backstory a few chapters before the flashback/that he is MAKING STUFF UP AS HE GOES rather then having a long-term plan.
And now that Eileen's turned into a dragon (which is bigger and more powerful - and therefore easier to detect - then any single Dragon-Slayer), she's pretty much given Acnologia a big 'ol marker post for where the hell everyone is that can draw him to them (which makes her entire use of Universe One to get Acnologia out of the way of the war completely pointless - chalk another one up for Eileen making stupid choice), which will probably be where Eileen completes her face-heal turn and fights him to save her daughter.
So yeah, this chapter's bad on it;s own, but it's honestly the bullshit it's setting up for the future chapters that pisses me off the most.
1. I already pointed out in discussion of Chapter 514 that it is ridiculous that Acnologia did not detect anything funny from her. So yeah, not really seeing the appeal in analyzing a lot to reach a conclusion I already did 4 chapters ago.
ReplyDelete2. I did not overlook that Irene gave herself away to Acnologia. Every forum I have been to, has stated this so much that it's obvious. But sadly I don't care about Acnologia hunting her down (Hence I didn't bother mentioning it at all in my original post).
3. "find the things you're angry about may pale to comparsion to other dangers."
Dude, you sound like I, myself, need to worry about Acnologia coming down or something..... >.>. But no, I still do not find the things I'm angry about pale in comparison because I'm not really pissed to begin with, this chapter is so empty that I was just bored and took on things that stood out. It's the next chapter I'm curious about though.
1. But again, there was nothing *back then* to indicate she even still had any dragon powers, so it could have in fact been played off without harming anything. Instead, Mashima decided to toss logic out with this new chapter just to try and create what he thinks is a cool confrontation. Also, like I said, there may be reasons why Acnologia couldn't sense it - it's just that if that's the case, Mashima apparently doesn't have the fucking sense to show us any of this/explain any of it, which makes it a plot-hole ATM.
ReplyDelete2. You may have to since, for all we know, Eileen's being the inventor of Dragon-Slayer magic may mean her redemption involves *her* being the one to kill Acnologia and clear the way for Natsu vs Zeref. Don't act like you believe FT's idea of storytelling isn't retarded enough to go that way.
3. Look at point no. 2 and tell me the idea of Eileen and Erza's story being what removes Acnologia as an obstacle for the Natsu vs Zeref fight isn't comparatively a far, far bigger concern then "plot-armor girl vs hamfisted meteor." Unlike most of the other villains, Acnologia's been played up as a genuine threat in nearly every encounter he's been in, and the way things are being set up is worrying because I KNOW how FT works - how obvious and telegraphed the plot-points are, how contrived the invincibility of friendship deus-ex-machima mechanics are, etc. It's coming across like Eileen's purpose in the story is to either beat or cripple Acnologia as a threat, and that's aggravating to me because of how depressingly low a point it'll be if true.
Or, alternatively, Mashima didn't actually think up of the dragon backstory for Eileen until, like, before he wrote the backstory chapter and went, "hey, wouldn't it be cool if Erza's mom was a DRAGON?" Honestly, I don't have much confidence that anything in Fairy Tail's current arc was actually planned.
ReplyDeleteEileen will fail. It's going to be Erza. This is Fairy Tail, come on, all sorts of characters that are built up to be powerful (Jellal, Sting, Rogue, Minerva, Walrod, Jura, those two other wizard saints) only exist to be fodder so Erza, Gray, Natsu, Wendy and Lucy (and maybe Gajeel if the writer's being charitable) can be TEH HEROOOO.
Also, in regards to the jumping power... whether it makes sense or not that the Blaziken outfit enhances her ground-slap, it still looks absolutely silly as fuck.
Mashima did say somewhere that Eileen will play an 'important' role in defeating Acnologia.
ReplyDeleteThough think a lot about it is giving Mashima too much credit because I think he just meant she's the one who invented dragon slayer magic and hence allowed someone like Natsu to defeat Acnologia or something.
But alternately if we do take the claim seriously, Smith Baran isn't off the point. Seeing how Igneel did rip off an arm of Acnologia, Eileen might just do some shit before dying and then redeem herself (Well not really, but Mashima knows how to shove down undeserved redemption down his characters' throats a lot). I think all have thought about these possiblities. I for one, don't bother mentioning any of it simply because I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT ACNOLOGIA! Even if he go die off-panel from cancer or something, I would be dancing in joy that I don't have to deal with another incompetent author trying to resolve the nigh-invincible antagonist trope in a shitty manner. Faster Mashima wrap this garbage series, the better.
Again Ryo, I think that's actually a problem - I think you SHOULD "give two shits" considering Acnologia is one of the few villain characters in the Manga that was ever actually intimidating and worth a damn. I've said it before and I'll say it again; it comes across as just wanting to blind-hate instead of critique.
ReplyDeleteAnd Blackjack, that's precisely my point - prior to hamfisting this in, Eileen could have just been passed off as a human who'd lost the Dragon-Slayer powers as opposed to opening up this plot hole. Likewise, I don't have as much confidence that Eileen will fail because... well, in all honesty, she ought to have failed already. With how powerful Acnologia is, Erza realistically wouldn't stand a chance - the only way she'd survive is for this BS display of "determination" to give Eileen a heal-face tun, just like he wrote himself into a corner with Brandish's OP powers and had to have her be beaten as a side-effect of Ajeel's powers (allergies of all things). That's simply the only way he's ever been able to write a story :P
Why is it that you sound like there is no middle point(s) between blind-hate and critique?
ReplyDeleteI didn't say there wasn't, Ryo - I said that point's not where you're standing. If you "don't give two shits" about anything, that makes it pretty hard to call it a critique in any sense as opposed to just hate.
ReplyDeleteI've said it before, I'll say it again - I hate the series, but making clear why is more important to me then hating it "because it's FT". You can either accept that or don't, but I'd rather you not start another multi-comment argument with me over it.
I accept your methods. I won't argue against that again. But I disagree about your opinion on me. I want you to accept my methods as well. If you can't, then at least stay away from me.
ReplyDelete"Stay away from me"? Dude, there's no reason to treat disagreements *that* seriously. Yes I think you're apt to generalize everything under series-wide hate, but that doesn't mean it has to be either war or silence - this isn't the forums, after all. It doesn't have to get so bitter over something as trivial as different views on what makes a bad series "bad".
ReplyDeleteLook, so long as you and I both intend to comment on these, it's not like we won't see each-other - there's gonna be disagreements on both sides. That's the inevitability that comes with anyone and everyone making a comment, myself included. Simply put... I wouldn't ask you to stay away from me, no matter how much you disagree with my opinions.
I think you're the one who is taking it seriously. I'm not treating the disagreement with serious bitterness.
ReplyDeleteIt is the lack of care that I have for your opinion. No offence, you never quite said anything I wouldn't know. Your 'critique' come off, at best, pretentious and at worst, distracting. So it's not the different opinions that's the issue, it's the difference in the ways we use to make conclusions where the friction occurs.
At the end while we do continue to comment on this site, we will see each other's comment but like you said, this ain't the forums (though you have a very narrow view of those it seems). You don't have to discuss things with me nor reply to my comment, it is very much the opposite of inevitable.
Dude... again, you just earlier replied with "stay away from me if you can't agree with me." Precisely how else do you expect that to get taken?
ReplyDeleteNo offense... but it actually tends to feel the opposite to me - the reason why being this comment here. You call me "pretentious" or "distracting"... but you're the one making it a matter of who's views are right and wrong or that there's a "right" way to talk here (you took the discussion from "what does this mean for Acnologia" to "I have a problem with how you sound"). Hell, your exact words in an earlier comment were telling me not to speak freely because you believed there was some kind of standard I needed to conform to "for the audience."
And no - based on the Eileen thing, it really is our opinions; you said it yourself that you just think the whole thing is shit, whereas I actually pick apart what I think is or isn't bad. And the whole point of putting up comments is to critique on something if you think it needs such. That's the whole point of even making a public comment to begin with - if I see something you wrote that I disagree with, I'd comment on it and wouldn't expect any less if you thought the same of mine; it only becomes discussion when agreement isn't visible. And it's not even like that's impossible - we reached a consensus on the last chapter, remember?
There is no reading between the lines regarding what I wrote. I told you that if you can't accept the WAY I present my conclusion (disagreement with the my opinion itself is different case altogether), then it's better for you not to reply because my opinion may change but there's no way you can change my methods that I have developed over the course of time.
ReplyDeleteI did not make a matter on whose views are right or wrong and I don't see what does that have to do with calling you pretentious and distracting. They are separate issues, with the former being quite misunderstood by you. Hell, in fact all of it is quite misinterpreted because you seem to overshoot what it being said. There's no deep meaning, or emotions or anything involved in what I write. E.g I didn't say "I have a problem with how you sound." , I said, "Why is it that you sound like there is no middle point (s) between blind-hate and critique?"....Now don't give me, "How am I supposed to take that except in X way?" Because you aren't supposed make any deep shit out of it, the question IS WHAT IT IS (take it at face-value), simply inquiring that why do you seem to be using two extreme points and that's it.
Secondly the discussion eariler about some standard was needed. No, it seems you didn't pay attention at all to what I said back then because you keep overshooting it. I said that you need to simply AWARE of different standards. I even repeated myself over and over again that you can keep stating your opinion in the way that you do. So what is this "telling you me not to speak freely" claim? It's ridiculous, because I need to resolve issues you make up yourself and rarely am I dealing with the issues I actually raised in the first place.
The example of Eileen thing means very little because I explained myself in the past that it was not a good story and if I wanted to, I could have justified it myself to be a good story but I don't. Why? Again I explained back then it's NOT my job as a reader to justify the writing for the author. Every thing you said back was nothing new because I could have thought of it myself but again, it's not my job to do so.
Yes, public comments are open to replied and so on freely. Nonetheless, they are not mainly made so one can disagree with them though, but you can do that, but it's not necessary. As for the consensus we reached, I sorta of forced that one in actually because I knew I'm gonna end up hearing the same thing again, I thought it is better to agree with conclusions and be done with it. However, I opened my mouth this time because you came, not trying to question my opinion, but to question my methods. Stating things like, "See, THAT - looking at the wider implications this stuff can have - is why I bother to analyze things in full. Because depending on which way it goes, you can see just how deep the rabbit hole may go - and find the things you're angry about may pale in comparison to the other dangers." or saying things like, "because I KNOW how FT works". It made me realize that you aren't gonna give up this topic even though I have moved on from it weeks ago. So I'm telling you how it is. Pretentious, distracting and I for one, do not personally welcome it.
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ReplyDeleteDude... again I say; take a look at what you wrote. You've broken into five paragraphs over this and it's not even about the story - it's about your personal beef with what my opinions are. Again, how is this not "pretentious" and "distracting" in and of itself? The fact is I haven't overshot anything - it's that there is no such UNIVERSAL standard like what you're seemingly claiming. I myself have repeated it over and over; your telling me to be aware of it comes across as saying "one should put others's standards of judgement over one's own" - that they can't have their own opinion unless it takes all others into consideration. But that simply isn't an opinion in the first place - it's a forced consensus.
ReplyDeleteRyo, look at the above - when I made an argument about Acnologia's status in the story being reason to care about his portrayal... your follow up was voicing issue with how I voice things. How *isn't* that derailing/distracting from the debate on the series into an argument of "correct views"? How isn't that voicing a direct complaint/issue with how I do things? Hell, how is this block of text not detraction in and of itself?
And it's not even in the right context, since it's *opinion* that I differ on you with, not presentation - I argue against your opinion that you shouldn't give a shit about the series' path, I argue against your opinion that every single thing in it is bad. In our disagreement on Eileen's backstory, I again say it *is* good (or at least better then most FT stuff), believe you were wrong to call it bad and argued your justification as incorrect - and that my saying it's good doesn't equate to me thinking Mashima is a good writer as opposed to saying he was capable of the occasional good thing. That alone ought to have proven that I couldn't care less about what method is used; I care about whether the actual point someone's making is something I agree with or not - and whether the reason is something I can agree with. That won't change *regardless* of how you word it - it really isn't ANYTHING to do with presentation.
Public comments are made so that you can comment at your leisure. I've never made a single comment I didn't expect to get contested on, be it many random passerby or one person over multiple chains. You are, quite literally, doing the thing you accused me of - you've read too much into it, you've even admitted to doing so with my comments in the past - hell, that first quote you used proves as much because I was describing solely myself and why I love breaking things down; if I was critiquing how you do things, I would have flat-out said "I think your way of doing things is wrong." And the second one... precicely how does my saying "I KNOW how FT works" equate to saying "I know it better then you do"?
Ergo, I again say: look at how far you're taking this and tell how how I'm supposed to be pretentious? Look at what I said and tell me how it was supposed to infer superiority as opposed to personal commentary? Look at our past discussions and tell me how you think this is presentation issues instead of opinion. Look at how off-topic this is from any actual debate about FT and tell me how these blocks of yours isn't distracting? I'm not even mad, bro - I literally just do not get why you're taking it this bloody seriously.
"You've broken into five paragraphs over this"
ReplyDeleteDon't even go there. I have been replying you in short answers since the Eileen's backstory debate, and you still break into paragraphs even when I just wrote ONE STATEMENT. Besides, it is you who brought up previous discussion otherwise I wouldn't bother going back into it.
"it's that there is no such UNIVERSAL standard like what you're seemingly claiming."
I have no idea what the hell are you talking about here. I didn't even remotely mention anything universal at all. Overshooting much?
"your telling me to be aware of it comes across as saying "one should put others's standards of judgement over one's own" - that they can't have their own opinion unless it takes all others into consideration. But that simply isn't an opinion in the first place - it's a forced consensus. "
Seriously you lost me there entirely. And I can't believe you still thinking I said that EVEN THOUGH I REPEATED MYSELF WHAT I ACTUAL MEANT BACK THEN. Overshoot much?
"How *isn't* that derailing/distracting from the debate on the series into an argument of "correct views"?"
Because I did respond to Acnologia claim but then stated I didn't care. You instead of discussing my idea about Acnologia, went into some bullshit about how my opinion come across as blind-hate. Oh geez, that's very relevant to the story. Just like your statement about explaining why you detail everything to see how far the rabbit hole or how you know about how Fairy Tail works. It's all so relevant and imformative to me in regard to the story. By the way, hoping you don't overshoot this well, it is sarcasm. OKAY IT'S SARCASM. Don't take it anymore than that please. Point is, you derailed yourself, it gave me opportunies to call you out. But I only did when you had three strikes on yourself, Hell you been striking yourself since forever but I didn't bother as long as you didn't change the topic to the nature of my opinions. But you went there.
" it really isn't ANYTHING to do with presentation."
It never did, I don't know how you come across that I was talking about presentation at all. Overshoot much?
"Public comments are made so that you can comment at your leisure. I've never made a single comment I didn't expect to get contested on, be it many random passerby or one person over multiple chains. You are, quite literally, doing the thing you accused me of "
You brought this on yourself. Notice for the past chapter discussion, I didn't reply to your original comment? It's has always been you replying to others. I kept my distance, you didn't.
"you've read too much into it, you've even admitted to doing so with my comments in the past "
And then I stopped. I haven't even seen you admit anything, not even once that you might, might, might be not correct this time.
"how does my saying "I KNOW how FT works" equate to saying "I know it better then you do"? "
Did I even say that? Did I? Overshoot much? Those two quotes I mentioned, derail the point of the story to back to the discussion we had before, which I told you I moved on from. But guess what, I didn't respond to your quotes, it was until you told me, " I said that point's not where you're standing. If you "don't give two shits" about anything, that makes it pretty hard to call it a critique in any sense as opposed to just hate." I didn't even ask for your opinion on myself, I only asked if there are any middle points you believe there are in between blind-hate and critique but you overshoot again, and talked about something that was uncalled for.
Continued.
ReplyDelete"Ergo, I again say: look at how far you're taking this and tell how how I'm supposed to be pretentious?"
I don't think you understand what pretentious mean it seems. It might be derailing, but it's not distracting. Not in the context I was referring to. Your 'critique' is pretentious and distracting when we ARE discussing Fairy Tail. Right we aren't, right now I didn't call you out on being pretentious nor distracting, nor am I doing the same because I'm hitting you right in the face with a straight-foward responses (which you still somehow manage to fail at picking up so far).
"I'm not even mad, bro"
Oh.....oh you aren't mad bro, I dunno bro, to me you COME ACROSS, no you SOUND like angry, egoistic, self-righteous, bullshitter to me. And allow me to ignore your statements of claiming otherwise for all future references as a I stubbornly continue to sit on this weird perception of mine. Does it ring a bell? Yeah, that's you talking. I tell you I'm not serious, yet you blow it off by claiming I sound otherwise and look, you last statement is:
"I literally just do not get why you're taking it this bloody seriously."
Anyway, I'm done with you. I said what I wanted and as I much as I wish to say I don't have the time, it's not true. But I definitely will not have time to respond if this discussion continues. This conversation is over.
Ryo... you doubled the size of the past two comments compared to mine. I still kept it quite a bit smaller then textblocks and double-comments. And I only brought up the Eileen to illustrate that, yeah, it's NOT how you say things that I disagreed with - it was your actual opinion on it. That was not an invitation to restart it.
ReplyDeleteAnother issue... is that, again, you're taking everything far too *literally.* When I say "universal," it's *describing* what you're saying instead of referencing a direct quote. Hell, that's happened a lot where you take thinks I say and presume them to be something I've accused you of saying directly as opposed to an opinion on what your *meaning* is. And again where I tell you that it still SOUNDS like the same thing no matter how much you claim otherwise. Hell, you'll flat-out say "it's the difference in the ways we use to make conclusions where the friction occurs"... and then when I point out that the ways (aka, the PRESENTATIONS) we use isn't the issue at all, you call that "overshooting." That comes across kind of like you're the one overshooting the point here, honestly.
And no, you didn't actually respond to that - you cut it off. I replied that Acnologia, as one of the few characters that was shown to be a serious threat, is an aspect of the series we should in fact care and focus on (especially since you yourself admitted to Blackjack that that I had a point)... and your response to that was to voice an issue with how I talk. That was *you* who took it off topic, Ryo, not me.
Honestly, I didn't "bring this on (my)self" - you're the one making it a massive multi-comment issue, because there shouldn't be any problem with that. I wouldn't resent you if you were the one doing that to me. I told you my personal opinion that I didn't think your comments covered any of those middle points - a simple, honest reply. You can be mad about a lot, Ryo, but don't be mad because I gave you my *opinion* on a question you asked me directly.
"Did I even say that? Did I?"
ReplyDeleteYour comment:
"or saying things like, "because I KNOW how FT works". It made me realize that you aren't gonna give up this topic even though I have moved on from it weeks ago. So I'm telling you how it is. Pretentious, distracting and I for one, do not personally welcome it."
... again, how exactly is looking at that and feeling you're interpreting it as "I'm superior in knowledge on FT" any kind of overshoot? How is seeing it as an insinuation you think that quote represents arrogance when you IN THE SAME SENTENCE use it in tandem with calling me pretentious? It's not overshooting if there's no other way to interpret it.
What I do isn't derailing *or* distracting - it's just disseminating and theorizing. And you could just ignore it just as much as you could choose to comment on it - it comes across as just a personal issue. You're ignoring that your words aren't hitting me as opposed to flying off into the sunset because they're basically misrepresenting what I've said before or what I've said now, and because you yourself don't realize that *you* do in fact sound pretty pretentious in how you do it and don't realize it - you're guilty of the same thing you're accusing me of.
The fact is, none of what you said factors in - I'm just OCD; I'm long-winded and my mind works on a mile-a-minute basis in analyzing things. I literally don't associate any emotional value to arguments like you do (and don't say you don't; the name-calling in the last bit makes that kind of hard to believe). What you're seeing here... it's basically just honest confusion as to where you're getting this and why you feel you have to take it this personally with me.
In short... all this really feels like to me is that you just do not like that I don't feel your comments hit a middle ground anymore then you think mine do. And for whatever reason, that makes you mad. You seem to think my belief you generalize things means I look down on you, and every attempt I make to be polite or civil is taken as being arrogant. I don't and that's the simple truth - whether or not you believe me won't change that.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is, I based that conclusion on *your own confession* that you don't come here to critique or find a middle-ground - by your own words, you come here to vent out on FT and you disliked my comments because, well, seemingly, they remind you of forum debates. To me, it feels like you look down on me for putting that kind of effort into something you hate (FT), even though the reason I do it is because I just have fun psychoanalyzing the writing of bad manga in general as opposed to liking FT. If you don't like that, don't read or reply to my comments - but please don't make it such a personal issue over viewpoint method correctness.
I'm half-tempted to just ask Blackjack to remove all these at this point with how far off-the-rails it keeps getting, but this is my last attempt to try and close things off concisely and say that, regardless of what you think or feel, I don't have any grudge with you over this.